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Todd's wrong: He has already won

by Trey Rentz, Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:19:08 AM EST

Todd's wrong. Obama has already won.

He's won because he's inspired my generation and others.
He's won because he's brought massive numbers of new voters
into the voting booths.

He's won because his insurgent campaign against the Clinton machine has succeeded in winning more than 75% of the states.

He's won because Clinton's "must win" stronghold of Texas just broke for Obama by a few delegates and her single digit win in Pennsylvania wasn't enough to turn the tide.

He's won because he's racked up enough delegates and super delegates to simply be on top, no matter what.

Obama is basically at 1700 today with about 200 supers out there that are stoked to vote for him. These numbers are fast and loose because after Obama's victory in the polling booths today, we'll have the final numbers.

Those numbers remove any chance of Hillary getting to the number needed to clinch.

And Obama has won because he's taken on not only the Republican machine, but the Democratic machine as well.

Its Obama today. Lets let the people decide. And if they choose to elect Obama. Then he's won. But for me. He's already won. And good work.

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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 1)

he's won because he ran a smarter, more efficient campaign.

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:25:32 AM EST

Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

You are spot on. The Clinton machine was too arrogant to plan anything past Super Tuesday. In contrast Obama planned a winning strategy.

by Politicalslave on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:38:02 AM EST
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If he has won (2.00 / 1)

then, as Todd says, he should go home to Chicago, rest, and plan the general election campaign. Clearly, Hillary will be jousting at windmills, so the strategic thing for Obama to do is just cede the field to Hillary.

Guess what, if he does that, Hillary is the nominee. That means, Obama has not won the nomination yet.

Another Hillary Supporter for Obama!

by Beltway Dem on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:09:01 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 6)

Strange, but the rules do not state, whoever has the most delegates wins. After PR you will just have to cool you jets until the convention because MI/FL WILL be part of this process or you can kiss the WH goodbye.

Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime

by gunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:25:36 AM EST

Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 1)

NEWSFLASH:.......this contest ends at the LATEST on June 4th.

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:30:35 AM EST
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It continually amazes me that those that (none / 0)

say it goes to the convention fail to realize that if it does we might as well hand John McCain the keys to the White House now.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:42:49 AM EST
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Re: It continually amazes me that those that (2.00 / 5)

I`m sick of everyone stating rules are rules only when it suits Obama.

Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime

by gunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:47:44 AM EST
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Ya. Right. I know. (2.00 / 1)

The supers are going to overturn the pledged at the convention, yada, yada, yada. Ain't going to happen, but if it did that would be the end of the party.

I know. Next time around why don't we just skip the primaries altogether. Think of the savings! We'll just let the superdelegates get together in like, January, and interview the prospective nominees and decide upon one. There's not really any need to have all these primaries and caucuses if we're just going to ignore them anyway is there?

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:58:39 AM EST
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Re: Ya. Right. I know. (2.00 / 4)

What 'overturning'? The superdelegates will get a vote just like pledged delegates. There's nothing to overturn. I don't get why people keep saying 'overturning'.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:29:15 AM EST
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Gee. Let me explain. (none / 0)

It would be overturning because the delegate count at the end of the primary season will say Obama won, but then you advocate that the supers say, "No. Sorry. We know better. Hillary is our nominee." That's called overturning. Glad to help.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:31:55 AM EST
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Re: Gee. Let me explain. (2.00 / 3)

Again, overturning what? The pledged delegate count? Please show me in the DNC rules where the pledged delegate leader is the winner of the Democratic nomination.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:47:48 AM EST
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OK. I'll try one more time slowly. (none / 0)

Overturning the will of the people as determined by the primaries. What you argue is that every superdelegate's vote should be the equivalent of many thousands of regular voters, and that in fact, what happens in the primaries and caucuses is irrelevant. So, and I'm speaking slowly, if at the end of the primaries Obama has the most pledged delegates, the people have spoken. If the supers choose someone else, they are "overturning" that decision of the electorate. I hope this helps. If not, then I'm afraid you are beyond my powers to educate.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:32:21 PM EST
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Re: OK. I'll try one more time slowly. (none / 0)

Oh, pardon me if I'm beyond your 'educating'! How condescending. You can 'try' as fast as you'd like, I'll take my time reading. As to your inaccurate statements:

1) Superdelegates have exactly the same power than pledged delegates have. Which is to say, one vote.

2) 'The will of the people' is a blurry concept at best. The true 'will of the people' would be looking at the popular vote, and as we've seen, that's an iffy question as well. Pledged delegates do not represent the 'will of the people'.

So, argue what you'd like, but your reliance on made-up facts does not make it a good, or persuasive, argument.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:28:39 PM EST
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Re: OK. I'll try one more time slowly. (none / 0)

"1) Superdelegates have exactly the same power than pledged delegates have. Which is to say, one vote."

Eh. No. You again totally miss the point. You're right, but you misunderstand.

Each pledged delegate represents some number of thousands of voters. What I'm saying is that a superdelegate who cancels out the will of a pledged delegate cancels out thousands of voters who went to the polls. In other words, unless you are a delegate, each superdelegate has a vote that is thousands of times more powerful than your vote or mine.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:43:49 PM EST
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Re: OK. I'll try one more time slowly. (none / 0)

I missed the point, but apparently I am right. If you want to argue that the will of the people is best represented by pledged delegates, then how do you get around the fact that each pledged delegate is worth a different amount of 'actual' votes depending on which state you're talking about?

I agree that superdelegates are undemocratic and should be removed. But they are here for this round, and under the rules they have as much right to do whatever they want. They wouldn't be 'overturning' anything. If they didn't exist to exercise independent judgment, why have them at all? If they only exist to rubber-stamp the pledged delegate leader, then they're useless.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:26:33 PM EST
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Not quite useless. (none / 0)

They exist so that if there is a total meltdown, something like an Eliot Spitzer incident, they can step in. In my opinion even that shouldn't be. They don't exist as a substitute for the primary system.

As for the varying voters per delegate, you're right. It's not right. It's an effort to make things more democratic, but it's too complicated. Still, it's what it is, and it's certainly better than some Democratic party insider in Denver deciding his or her opinion is better than thousands of voters.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:54:14 PM EST
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Re: Not quite useless. (none / 0)

Again, that's your take and opinion on it. You're saying they're there to prevent an Elliot Spitzer-like incident. Howard Dean and I beg to differ. I'm saying they may vote however they want. Superdelegates may vote for whomever they wish by whatever metric they wish.

And again, you seem to be arguing the bottom line -- which is that superdelegates get as much weight as a pledged delegate. You may not like it, but the rules are the rules.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:59:16 PM EST
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I have never argued otherwise. (none / 0)

I have always argued that the supers "could" overrule the pledged delegates, and consequently the voters. I just say they won't, at least not if a Democratic Party is to exist as other than a joke afterwards. See my explanation elsewhere for why this won't happen. Or alternatively, imagine the speech on the floor of the convention...

"We want to congratulate Sen. Obama on being a historic candidate; the first African-American candidate to make it this far. It is a fact that Mr. Obama won the most primaries, votes, pledged delegates, and played by the rules we set up at the beginning of this process, but we the party insiders have decided to make Hillary Clinton the nominee anyway."

Ya, like that's going to happen.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:12:36 PM EST
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Re: I have never argued otherwise. (none / 0)

Again, this is what you believe will happen, and your attachment of what constitutes the 'will of the voters'. I think the will of the voters is something that pledged delegates really can't reflect accurately, and so we disagree.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:14:59 PM EST
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Re: I have never argued otherwise. (none / 0)

OK. We disagree and that's OK, but I do ask you to think about that speech, and the utter chaos that will ensue if it's ever given, and the consequences for the Democratic Party and the nation.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:34:46 PM EST
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Re: Ya. Right. I know. (2.00 / 1)

The end of the party. What bs. This I'm taking my ball home unless you make him the nominee sob sob is pure blackmail and yep take your ball home if it comes to it. That'll give you 4 years of John McCain. Enjoy.

by ottovbvs on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:51:54 AM EST
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No. This is not taking the ball and leaving (none / 0)

This is, the ref took the ball and declared the other team the winner even though we clearly won by the scoreboard. One of the great silly comparisons of this primary season is that somehow Obama supporters who won't vote for Hillary if the supers overturn the pledged delegate are the same as Hillary supporters who won't support Obama if he wins.

The two situations are not the same. In the former a bunch of people, a third of whom are not elected, decided they know better than the American people and those people refuse to rubber stamp that. In the latter case people who legitimately lost refuse to back the winner.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:36:32 PM EST
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No more than we are sick (none / 0)

Of you guys stating you have the darn right to change the rules. Everyone knew the deal and agreed..the loser no longer likes them and is trying to trick the system....BS is BS no matter how you frame it...if you were being honest with even yourself, you would know that suggesting such crap is foul play and unethical. How did you feel when the GOP screwed Gore...well we feel the same except it is coming by way of so called friendly fire.

by netgui68 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:31:15 AM EST
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Re: It continually amazes me that those that (2.00 / 3)

And you fail to realize that Obama will lose to McCain. No matter what happens.

by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:59:32 AM EST
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Except there is ample evidence that Hillary (none / 0)

would lose to McCain and none that Obama would, but hey, go with it.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:23:27 AM EST
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Re: It continually amazes me that those that (none / 0)

Senator McCain is beating himself. Ha ha

by Politicalslave on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:40:06 AM EST
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Ha ha ha (2.00 / 3)

That's some really good satire. Stephen Colbert couldn't do any better.

by myiq2xu on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:29:49 AM EST

Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 2)

The only reason Obama is winning is because the Democrats might have the stupidest way in the history of mankind to pick the delegates. I do not understand how people can determine a systems being democratic when someone gets more votes in a state but yet loses. That is not the way elections are supposed to work. If Obama does get the nomination he can thank the morons who devised this idiotic system.

by CMFost23 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:31:37 AM EST

Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

While I completely disagree with you on almost every point, we do agree that the people that designed this system are complete morons.

Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!

by RockvilleLiberal2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:34:58 AM EST
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However, the system is the system, and (none / 0)

you fail to note that the "morons" of which you speak are largely the Clinton team. Terry McCauliffe was instrumental in deciding the calendar and putting the convention 8 weeks before the general election, thus insuring that a confrontational convention would cost us the election.

Harold Ickes and others were among those who voted to strip FL and MI of their primaries.

I hope we're all ready to work to change the rules once this primary season is over. However, right now these are the rules we have, and they were put in place by old-school politicians, and they're was we've all had to play by. Hopefully, by ousting the old school wing of the party we may get some better processes, but vigilance will still be needed on our part as well. For example, look how the voting processes have (not) been improved since the debacles of 2000 and 2004.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:49:44 AM EST
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Re: However, the system is the system, and (2.00 / 1)

The people who put together the system are hardly 'largely' the Clinton team. Hundreds were involved in putting together the calendar, not just McCauliffe and Ickes.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:30:31 AM EST
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Yes, there were other Clintonites as well. (none / 0)

And yes, there were others. But McCauliffe wields a lot of power, and Clintonites fail to mention that their surrogates like Ickes voted to put us in the MI/FL situation (though MI and FL bear the real responsibility for the mess).

The point is that the Clintons wouldn't be yelling and screaming about the rules if, as they had planned, they had won. The problem is that they lost, so now they are trying to change the rules after the fact.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:35:20 AM EST
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Re: Yes, there were other Clintonites as well. (2.00 / 1)

Not 'Clintonites'. I don't get the impression that you seem to have that Democrat = Clinton. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's just not true.

And no one has won or lost yet, so I don't know who's screaming about the rules. If anything, it's Obama's supporters who are clinging to the rules harder and harder each day.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:46:56 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

Any system except a uniform-rules national primary would have this problem.

The Republican system is far worse, as you can win a bare plurality in enough states to win the nomination, still get crushed in the popular vote, and win.

Our system, while extremely imperfect, does attempt to reflect the will of voters first on a district-by-district basis, then by a state-by-state, and finally by a national basis. Sometimes the precedence given to districts can screw up the representation of a state (as in Missouri and Nevada this year).

Still, to say that "the only reason" Obama is winning is because of imperfections in the rules is disingenuous. Consider if we did do a national, popular-vote-based, uniform-rules primary.

1. Obama's margin from caucus states would grow substantially. While his percentage-wise lead in these states would likely drop, his absolute-vote lead would increase due to an order-of-magnitude increase in turnout.

2. Obama would have hundreds of thousands of votes from Michigan.

3. There would be no superdelegates to hand the nomination to Clinton.

Unable to rec or rate
Still supporting Obama
Still not putting up with "preening" posts

by jaiwithani on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:56:12 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 3)

As he already won, he should stop campaigning for the primary and start uniting the party.

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by devil on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:46:36 AM EST

He can't just stop responding to attacks, (none / 0)

especially when the attacks are almost coordinated between the Clinton and McCain camps. It's like we're running a 3 candidate general election.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:51:22 AM EST
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Re: He can't just stop responding to attacks, (none / 0)

Lieberman ran as an independent when he lost his primary, maybe Hillary is planning to do the same...

Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!

by RockvilleLiberal2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:57:16 AM EST
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Re: He can't just stop responding to attacks, (none / 0)

She's repeatedly said she will campaign for Obama if he wins, so your scenario won't pan out.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:31:33 AM EST
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Re: He can't just stop responding to attacks, (none / 0)

I sure hope it doesn't pan out...this wasn't an advocation for her running as an independent, quite the opposite.

Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!

by RockvilleLiberal2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:43:16 AM EST
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Re: Do you realize? (none / 0)

If those who have wanted HRC to drop out got their wish earlier, the REPUBLICANS WOULD BE TEARING OBAMA TO SHREDS right now. Obama's finally getting a little bumpy ride, but it's nothing compared to what the Repubs would be doing to him if he were the only candidate left. Ironically, HRC's continued presence is actually protecting Obama from the worst of the worst.

by moevaughn on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:27:27 AM EST
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Re: Do you realize? (none / 0)

wow you're delusional. If Hillary wasn't in the race right now, the Democrats, AS A UNITED FRONT, we would be hitting McCain continuously on any number of issues instead of fighting amongst ourselves. Wake up...

Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!

by RockvilleLiberal2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:50:12 AM EST
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Re: Do you realize? (none / 0)

by the same token: If Obama were not in the race right now, the Democrats, AS A UNITED FRONT, would be hitting McCain continuously........

btw, you missed my point. Sure if there were only one Dem, the Dem Party would be focused on defeating McCain. But also if HRC were not in race now, the Republican Party would be attacking Obama with their full force of whatever it takes -- much more than the little bumpy ride Obama is having now...

by moevaughn on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:47:44 PM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 4)

When Obama loses both races today, perhaps the reality will finally settle into the Obama followers' minds. You can't keep dreamy idealism going when there is no substance.

The popular choice isn't always the right choice.

Hillary Clinton. The Right Choice.

by stefystef on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:48:17 AM EST

Nothing today affects the outcome. (2.00 / 1)

It's true. Nothing that happens today affects the eventual outcome of this nominating process. The media will try to make it more interesting but there is really only one interesting question today. Does Hillary lose Indiana. If she loses Indiana, mercifully we're done. If not, we go to June 3rd, and then Obama, having the most pledged delegates, becomes the nominee. The only thing affected by today is timing.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:53:58 AM EST
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Re: Nothing today affects the outcome. (1.66 / 3)

More fantasy land rhetoric from another robo

Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News

by steve468 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:55:43 AM EST
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Re: Nothing today affects the outcome. (none / 0)

Rated up for stupid use of TR.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:32:23 AM EST
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Re: Nothing today affects the outcome. (none / 0)

Excellent - because name calling is perfectly acceptable here...pfft rules

Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!

by RockvilleLiberal2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:51:37 AM EST
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Re: Nothing today affects the outcome. (none / 0)

Name calling? 'Robo'? You're offended at that? What is this, high school?

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:30:56 PM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 2)

I wouldn't call Obama the popular choice. By the time all states have voted, I believe the popular vote will favor Hillary.

by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:00:58 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

she wins the Poplular vote ONLY in some arcane, contrived metric that no one believes.

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:03:21 AM EST
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Metric (2.00 / 2)

You can identify an Obama supporter just by the use of this affected word. Metric. What a weak little word.

by emmasaint on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:32:15 AM EST
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Re: Metric (none / 0)

Thank you. So true.

by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:43:53 AM EST
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Re: Metric (none / 0)

yeah, like math. Or logic. I hate that word.

Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!

by RockvilleLiberal2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:52:25 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 2)

The states haven't finished voting yet. Wait until they do before you start predicting the future.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:43:26 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 1)

Even if Hillary wins both today by 10 points, she still won't be any closer to wining the nomination. She just doesn't have the delegates, period. Go to Slate.com and play with their delegate calculator. Even if you give her 10 point wins in every contest after today, she still loses. I'm not sure why that's such a hard concept to grok around here.

by Gene In PA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:38:47 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 1)

Breaking Clinton Campaign says they have enough votes on the bylaws committee to overturn the ban on Florida and Michigan. The committee meets at the end of May to reinstate these two states. Goodbye Obama

Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News

by steve468 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:54:19 AM EST

Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

link? or is this all in your head with the other voices?

Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!

by RockvilleLiberal2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:58:52 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 2)

Also BREAKING....Not one single delegate gets to vote until the convention. Like they say that's the rules. Sorry if it does not follow your dreams.

Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime

by gunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:59:18 AM EST
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Yes, and they can all vote for Mickey Mouse, (none / 0)

but that's not happening either. They'll commit in June and Hillary will drop out. We won't let McCain have two months off this summer without a Democratic challenger, and we won't allow a floor fight in August to cost us the election 8 weeks later. Sometimes I think you folks care more about Hillary being crowned the nominee than about winning in November. Do you not see that the path you advocate costs us the white house? Isn't it obvious to people. I just don't get it.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:04:45 AM EST
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Don't you see (2.00 / 1)

That the Obama path costs us the White House and ruins the chances for a Democrat in the White for 20 years at least. I mean, what Democrat in recent history has even won the White House - much less 2 times. I mean what Democrat can beat the Republicans for the White House???

by emmasaint on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:33:53 AM EST
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Re: Don't you see (none / 0)

So you are saying that the Clintons are the only Democrats that can ever win the White House?

by Gene In PA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:44:02 AM EST
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No I think he's saying Bill Clinton (none / 0)

is running. I must have missed that.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:41:33 PM EST
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Never happen. (none / 0)

Florida and Michigan will NEVER be seated as is, and that's what she would need. Dream on.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:01:36 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

WRONG...the committee isn't fully appointed yet.....the appointments left to be made will be by HOWARD DEAN..hhhhhmmmm...I wonder which way he leans.

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:02:17 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

Dean is not supposed to lean at all. The fix is in.

Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime

by gunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:14:17 AM EST
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Re: Who did he inspire????? (2.00 / 2)

I want to know from the diarist....

Who exactly did he inspire ?

The last time I checked:

he was losing to Hillary Clinton among White voters by 2 to 1.

he was losing to Clinton among Latino voters by 2 to 1.

he was losing to Clinton among Asian-American voters by 2 to 1

he was losing to Clinton among Catholic voters by 2 to 1

he was losing to Clinton among Senior voters by 2 to 1

he was losing to Clinton among Women voters by 2 to 1

he was losing to Clinton among Jewish voters by 20 points.

he has lost 7 of the 8 largest electoral college states in the nation ( and yes, all that matters in Nov. are the electoral colleges )

And yes,

he has lost to Clinton Among Registered Democratic voters.

So who exactly is being inspired here?

What kind of nominee do we have here who has lost all of the above?

Is he running for President of the United States of America or President of the African-American community ?

The guy even needs to PREVENT & DISENFRANCHSISE Florida votes from counting because he would then lose the Popular vote. ( The same Florida that they both Did Not Campaign & they both had their names on the ballot.

So who does he inspire?

Who? The 30 yr & below liberal bloggers on Kos & Mydd??? Who?

by latinfighter on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:02:59 AM EST

And still, (2.00 / 1)

he's won 3/4 of the states and leads in the popular vote and has the most pledged delegates. Something does appear wrong with your math now doesn't it?

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:06:38 AM EST
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Re: And still, (2.00 / 2)

By 3/4 of "the states," you must mean 3/4 of the "United 48 States." In Obama's America, Florida and Michigan are replaced with Guam and American Samoa.

And the Obama mantra, "We only count the votes we want to count."

It's no wonder with those tactics that he's losing the "everybody else" vote.

2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

by BPK80 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:11:36 AM EST
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You're joking right? (2.00 / 1)

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:17:28 AM EST
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Re: Who did he inspire????? (2.00 / 2)

Obama's base is the AA and Neo-Liberal Coalition. It even weaker than McGovern's and has no chance of reaching the center. The last 7 our of 8 polls of Massachusetts show a tie or loss by Barack Obama. That's real scary.

2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

by BPK80 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:15:12 AM EST
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What's that I smell? Red Herring? (none / 0)

Massachusetts is not going red in November, and anyone who uses this as an argument, well, they're exposing themselves (so to speak).

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:19:48 AM EST
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Re: What's that I smell? Red Herring? (none / 0)

Go to Pollster and look up Massachusetts. Massachusetts is the most racist state in the Northeast. It's also one of the most Irish, hence an affinity for McCain that one would not find with George Bush.

McCain is strong in the heavily Irish and older Northeast. Obama is weaker in the racially polarized but not heavily AA Northeast. 7 out of 8 polls show a tie. One shows an Obama lead. Very few undecideds.

The only thing telling you Masschusetts will be blue w. Obama as nominee is your intuition based on how the state has voted in previous years. I think if Obama wins the nomination, Mass will go blue but he'll have to fight for it.

Honestly, I didn't believe it myself until I saw the same thing replicated in 7 different polls of The Bay State. Then I remembered things about Massachusetts I had long buried.

2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

by BPK80 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:25:16 AM EST
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Wow. Have you lived in Mass? I have. (none / 0)

I love your portrayal of Massachusetts residents as Irish Racists. Let's see... what was the only state not to vote for Richard Nixon. Oh ya. Massachusetts. Where does Ted Kennedy represent? ... Massachusetts. Etc., etc.

Polls of the general election at this point aren't worth the powder to blow them to hell. Now New Hampshire. That is fertile McCain territory, but to say Massachusetts won't vote for Obama is laughable.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:29:55 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

Fingers crossed Obama will win both states today.

Obama/Warner 2008

by MissVA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:05:33 AM EST

Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

I wish, but I don't believe it will happen. As P.T. Barnum once said, "You'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." Somewhere in the Clinton campaign offices that quote must be on a bronze plaque. Ol' PT would look at the last couple of weeks of this campaign and smile.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:13:27 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

This is a nice stream-of-consiousness opinion piece, I suppose. A good morale boost for Obama's supporters.

2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

by BPK80 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:12:12 AM EST

Toddlers (2.00 / 1)

Stomping their feet and refusing to eat (or get dressed, or whatever) has never been a a game-winning strategy. It's just game-whining.

Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

by anna belle on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:15:15 AM EST

Re: Toddlers (2.00 / 1)

Oh, let him finish his waffles.

Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime

by gunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:22:39 AM EST
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Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

And Memphis won the NCAA Championship.

by johnnygunn on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:26:25 AM EST

Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (2.00 / 1)

For me - Hillary has won.

She inspired me and millions of women across the country, many whom I have met and have never voted before in their life but registered to vote for Hillary. I've met many Republican women excited to cross over and vote for Hillary.

She inspires first time Latino voters that came out in droves to vote for her.

She is ahead in total votes actually registered to her - all races combined.

She has more votes than any other candidate in our history in a democratic nominating process.

She has gone beyond any other woman in our history.

She inspires me from head to toe - to get up every day and fight for her and her candidacy.

by nikkid on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:35:43 AM EST

Re: Todd's wrong: He has already won (none / 0)

I agree Obama hasn't just won, but he has inspired, who else can get 1.5 Million Donors, I never gave money to any campaign before, but I am proud to give to OBAMA, he gives me hope that maybe there is a future where Democrats and Republicans can come together and work out all this ish over the last 8 years!

by kbuggy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:12:00 AM EST

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